Round my way that’s not a big deal because we have lots of earthy singletrack and I can avoid the steep and rooty/rocky climbs, but in the Lakes personally I’d be leaning more towards flat bars, ie an MTB, to avoid being too constrained by the bike. So, let’s take a look at them! Can you ride what you want to ride on it? Rigid and hardtails are usually a bit heavier than gravel bikes but are more comfortable on loose and rocky descents. I’m in love with my gravel bike right now, am still learning what it is capable of but it just feels so fast and versatile on what I call ‘U.S. But that’s just my experience is that you’ll go a little faster on a gravel bike. Das E-Mountainbike Magazine hat diese beiden Bikes verglichen und gibt euch Tipps, worauf ihr im Zweifelsfall achten müsst.. Possible unpopular opinion: everyone should learn to mountain bike … Gears: 2 x 11. Maybe you’ve had plenty of fun on the mountain bike in the past, or maybe you’re making your first venture into the off road world. I hanker for a gravel bike which would be ideal for Lakes type roads and be good for forrest tracks, grassy stuff and maybe some rockier trails if the wrists can survive…a good Alu frame gravel could do this for a fraction of the cost of the above and could be similar speed. Not so happy then. The hardtail will be comfier on the descents and offer you much more flexibility in route choice. A gravel bike gives you new sensations; a hardtail mountain bike will give you more control on technical trails. Tires: 700c x 40mm. A post shared by Bez (@mashing53) on Jul 23, 2020 at 11:32am PDT. The best gravel bikes will come with wide tyres, with room for extra mud clearance, and nowadays disc brakes as standard. There’s no one size fits all for this unfortunately, and you’ll have to consider just what you want to use the bike for. Ultimately though (as been said many times) all bikes are a compromise and picking which one suits yourself best is variable and quite a personal thing and can change to your mood or even the weather. We have a few customers who use hardtails with cross or gravel tyres. Solved it by selling and buying a 2001 Cannondale F500 + some fat semi-slicks. Some of the gravel bikes can take panniers and full guards more easily so thats a consideration, but then the lines become blurred between adventure/touring bikes like a kona sutra ltd. A drop bar bike that rides and feels like a mountain bike. Introducing the world’s first full-suspension gravel bike – the Niner Magic Carpet Ride. I’ve not got a drop barred gravel bike but I do have a flat bar Roadrat with 700cx40 gravel tyres on and that’s fun to ride on or off-road and fairly capable off-road as well. It’s ridiculous fun on skinny muddy singletrack but I don’t have much faith on anything steep or rocky. How do your times compare on road and off road? Currently settled on med/narrow ie 620mm (carbon) flat bars with Ergon GP2 bar ends. Joint 1st the worse bike I ever had*. more fun. Maybe alpkit as I think they remove the hire price from the purchase? Slacker … With similar weights and very different handling, we had a closer look at which you should choose. A fast hardtail is never going to make a good road bike whatever tyres you put on it. All Road. Personally I’d have a road bike and a mtb. I had a hybrid Ridgeback when I worked in London and I hated it as it was (for me) the worst of both worlds. If speed/performance is your ultimate goal then stick with an expensive roadbike for roads and an expensive FS for offroad. This video highlights a few reasons why a gravel bike is better than a CX bike for gravel riding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1upx1BUZ3c. Or Is It Miles? Clued up on trends & changes in the industry over time, we love his invaluable insights! Hardtail mountain bikes do not feature a rear shock, whereas full suspension bikes feature front and rear shocks. Epic Hardtail Pro. Absorbing some of the bumps and bruises and taking them in their stride. Learn More. To be fair, its case wasn’t helped by the fatigued rider or the motley crew of components casually plundered from the spares pile. Trek Checkpoint SL 6 ($3,800) Frame: Carbon. Weird gearing. Both will be good on gravel fire roads, the gravel bike will be better on the road, the hardtail better on slightly rougher offroad. Contact Us The nearest I got to sating it since has been with CAAD3 on semislicks or a rigid 29er (2X, 2.1 Nanos, with or without drops) There is the rub. – JARIFA² VS. THRON² Du kannst dich nicht entscheiden, ob du ein Hardtail eMTB oder ein eMTB-Fully kaufen sollst? – Tires: Mountain bike tires are designed for tires within the range of 26 inches. I ride a rigid carbon 29er (Scott Scale) which, in effect, could be thought of as a gravel bike, but is more capable offroad, and more fun, but admittedly a tad slower on road (which doesn’t matter to me these days…). Partially remedied by bagging an old-but-good tourer for peanuts and then fitting with 3mm bar-tape. If you’re pretty cautious and like to pick your way down a descent and often get off on the steep stuff and really enjoy a climb then the gravel bike (or even a cross bike) would probably best suit you. I get this. Ugh. Well unfortunately it’s quite a difficult one! Gravel bikes use drop handlebars becaus… A hardtail is okay off-road, but on really rough trails you will want a full-suspension bike. They’re great for opening up more options and it’s my most used bike, but I don’t gain a lot of pleasure from bouncing around rocky singletrack on them, holding on for dear life. Gearing. Then regret your decision and hanker after the other. They prefer a slacker, comfier position, even if it comes at the cost of some rolling resistance. If you put a gun to my head I’d probably give up the gravel bike first, on the proviso that I could put some funky bars on the Superfly, and stick some gravel slicks on it too. It might be that you buy a single frame with multiple wheel sets. The Gravel bike can go anywhere (and could accept a pair of road wheels if necessary), but has its limitations with rougher stuff of course. And of course, there needs to be a way to activate it as well. The main question to ask yourself, is what is the intended use going to be? Hardtail Mountain Bikes From pro-level XC race bikes to confident trail tamers, these men’s hardtail mountain bikes feature lightweight frames and a focus on ride quality. The shape is tall and has a slick design. Sort of like a hybrid. Differences between a gravel bike and mountain bike. The 650b tyres are barely slower on the road, and probably only when going at a decent speed. There’s the traditional cross country crowd, who want to cover the most ground in the least time. An imperfect pursuit of perfection. Doesn’t help my storage problems, but at least have two quite different options (1 for speed, comfort and distance on multi-surface runs – 1 for bikepacking, light MTB/local trails/roughstuff and options for 29+ everything). However, was out on my 3 year old Trek Superfly today, with 17kg of toddler hanging off the back, and was reminded just how good that bike was also. Not sure whether to give it another whirl, stick flat bars on it, or just stash it in the loft for a rainy day. If you needed to pick one physical trait to separate gravel bikes from mountain bikes, the handlebars are most obvious. Just the memory of it makes me angry. It’s always going to be a massive compromise. Your hybrid may vary. Pretty much any bike can be used on road and gravel and as presumably you are riding for enjoyment then pick the type of bike you enjoy riding. The answer lies in how good you are at riding a gravel bike. Unless you fancy changing your type of riding/bike. Thinking of selling my road bike to buy a gravel bike, but would a short travel hardtail with slicks be better for riding in the Lakes on and off road?? If it is the bars that are the only problem then a flat barred gravel bike would sort that out. I am very tempted to add a hardtail but mainly as a winter bike so my FS bike doesn’t get caked in mud for 6 months of the year. The hardtail will be comfier on the descents and offer you much more flexibility in route choice. Yep – I came here to write this too. Gravel bikes are just fun and if all you want to do it spin from your door take in pretty much anything apart from serious trail riding a gravel bike is perfect. Specialized specialized.com. I should qualify my statement, my hardtail is a 9kg full race spec kinda thing that I luckily didn’t have to pay much for, this is what makes it fast enough to cover a wide range of riding and makes it similar to a gravel bike…a normal Hardtail would be slower, still nice though. I have a FS and a gravel bike (and 2 road bikes). Light, comfy. Privacy Gravel … With the help of your smartphone and the COBI.Bike app, the Bosch SmartphoneHub on the JARIFA² turns into an intelligent control centre for … Pretty sure a 29er MTB would give you better bang for your buck too, not getting fleeced for hydraulic STI levers up front etc. Years ago, there were bikes called ‘hybrids’. When I was younger I was beyond happy with an ATB for all manner of shenanner. I just would like to see what people think, rather than buy a completely new bike, just put on some narrow 29er tires and run your hardtail. Are you going to be riding primarily on tarmac/gravel and how much genuine off road are you going to be doing? I’m in the same position regarding buying a gravel or short travel ht. Too many, even. Choosing between a hardtail and a gravel bike for me, it comes down to what trails (or lack of) you have on your doorstep and the way you like to ride the climbs and descents. Ride the gravel bike on the tracks you ride most often and see if you like it. The rigid mtb fork is stiffer, the frame is stiffer, and the bars are stiffer. Whenever I see people bunny hopping on drop bars it just looks awkward and I know if feels awkward having done it. Still can’t make up my mind. I’ve been riding my XC hardtail with some On One Mickey bars (which do push it to about 10kg..) as a gravel bike for the last few months. It’s without a doubt designed for off-road adventure. Full suspension bikes can be used as well, but could add weight (and price) and would need to offer the ability to lock out the rear suspension to avoid energy loss in flat … With that in mind, Jack, Reuben and Joe raced three different bikes, a “traditional” gravel bike, a hardtail mountain bike and a monster ‘cross bike to find out which would come out on top. 9 Bike Locks, Chains and Anchors to keep your bike safe, This topic has 44 replies, 28 voices, and was last updated. The reimagined RIP 9 RDO. Weird geo. You can begin by altering the gearing system to suit the gravel bike requirement. Not really sure what to make of this build. I’ll keep my fs for proper mountains and fun days out but for most exercise routes that are a mixture of back road, gravel and singletrack the gravel bike is wonderful. Agreed, here’s the future of rough terrain ‘gravel’, a bike that can do everything surprisingly well…medium irony intended. Yesterday I did like 30miles from my door (zone 2 London) taking in roads, woodland, bridal way and cutting through a few parks on a mountain bike it would have been hard work and WAY over biked. And it was only £1400 for a 9.6kg bike. Reslly need to get forks serviced I suppose.. My gravel bike is 90% as fast as a road bike, but it’ll handle some fairly rough offroad along with the standard gravel roads. If I had to only have one bike between the bikes I have (cross, rigid MTB, full sus, hardtail and road bike) I’d pick my rigid Stooge as it puts a smile on my face every time I ride it and despite being a weighty beast it rides lovely and isn’t all that slow either. Pipedream’s New SRS48 Fork Has Zero Millimetres of Travel. Check it! In fact if you combined all of their tests into one big mixed terrain 1-2hr long ride I bet my bike would finish way ahead. Did it rattle your teeth and break your back? Forum Rules Even then – there are ‘gravel’ bikes like 8kg road bikes with 32mm tyres and radical racing posture/geo, then there are ‘gravel bikes’ like skinny rigid MTBs with wide-drop bars and a fairly relaxed posture/geo, Here’s a video by a gravelfan https://youtu.be/KzeEcndVgWs, Keep the road bike and save up for an MTB as well? If versatility and simplicity is your goal then there are almost endless options. But riding an MTB of any kind just isn’t like riding a quick road or gravel bike. Gravel Bike or Hardtail? But yeah, from your previous posts sounds like you already have mountain bikes covered so get a drop bar that can cope with a bit of off road. The hardtail frames make it lighter and ensure full speed, while the suspension frame is just like a shock absorber to maintain balance in bumps and rough terrain. Sound like a new niche? I'm currently building a dedicated steel gravel bike for this very reason. It’s 9kg so as light as any equivalent gravel bike. The difference between hardtail vs full suspension bikes is that, in addition to the fork shock the full suspension bike also has a rear shock. I haven’t found the maintenance a pain, although don’t ride it much I guess. Most my “gravel” riding is through really tame woodlands. Kids Hardtail Adventure. Share; cattiy19 Starter 1484482970. I mean they are designed as race bikes to be really nimble. At first glance not that different from a cyclocross bike, gravel bikes are actually distinct – and often closer to an endurance road bike. The most distinguished part between both these bikes is their frames. Totally agree. — 8 THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT AN ADVENTURE BIKE —. But if you love to ease off the brakes and attack the descents but find climbing a means to an end then choose a mountain bike. Some bikes like the new Cannondale topstone even come with a dropper post to make them even more off road capable. It’s less gravel and more rocks. In truth, they sit somewhere between the two. A hardtail is good for its middle ground abilities, but that is also its downfall. I’ll be keeping my fs and probably road bike as well. Ha, interesting difference in perspective with Endoverend there, my gravel bike (built from parts, so more expensive than something off the shelf) probably came in at about £2,250 and sneaks under 10kg with pedals, bottle cages, Garmin mount etc. Look what other people ride. Still, I had to ride it 25 miles daily for two years until I couldn’t bear it any longer. For me, drop bars are more restrictive than the rest of the bike. Nukeproof Giga Launched: A Super-Enduro shouldn’t descend AND climb this well! It will be adequate and it’ll feel quick enough, relatively speaking. If you like riding drop bars and the handling feel of road bike like geometry then gravel bike, if you like flat/riser bars, front suspension and MTB geometry then get the MTB. With 140mm of consistent, controlled CVA suspension, progressive and adjustable geometry, increased frame stiffness, and available in two (yes, two) wheel sizes, it’s more versatile and capable and ever before. Smooth on the roads and firmer sections, but read to take up any slack if you hit the trails. typically wide gravel tracks that you could probably nurse a car along. I think if you are looking to ride gravel events the added aero of a drop bar bike will be faster than a mtb, if you can hold the position for several hours! Then in the 90s I started reading MBUK. You don’t have to go as far as slicks to make a hardtail reasonably fast on tarmac or gravel – something like Specialized Hardpack are decent off road without being too draggy on-road. Around in CycleStore since the beginning, John has a great knowledge of all the action behind the scenes. And as much as I love the versatility of ‘gravel’ bikes, I’m not a fan of riding them off-road for the sake of it. If your in the lakes, hire a bike. Too wide for bar ends, but could be solved by centre bar ends or mini aero bars. if the trail is challenging enough that 700x42ish tyres don’t cut it but fat knobbies do, then it’s also challenging enough that drop bars become the thing that holds you back. The fact that you say ‘hardtail’ rather than ‘rigid 29er MTB’ leads me to believe that a gravel bike won’t work out as well if your riding requires sus forks. Not saying to put drop bars on a hardtail, just use the flat bar or riser bar that you normally use. It’s tricky to differentiate between these two bikes. You know it makes sense . Superfly was £1300 and weighed 11.5kg when I raced CX on it with lightweight CX tyres and chopped down bars. This is because they feel more comfortable with a suspension fork, a little like an expensive lightweight hybrid really. Thing is that when I get to the offroad bits, it’s rough enough that i’m not convinced that a gravel bike would be that good – I’m thinking it would either have to be a twangy Ti frame with clearance for something like the 2.1 Thunderburt, or something with active suspension like the new Diverge. – A Pressing Decision, Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Specialized Chisel Hardtail Mountain Bike Review, Orange RX9 RS Gravel Bike Photo Album Review, Specialized S-works Ares Road Shoes Review – Ready for Battle, Cycling in Snow & Ice – Top Tips to Ride in Winter, Cannondale Topstone Disc Se Sora Gravel Bike Review. Well, er probably neither. Wide tyre capacity gravel bike (say 29×2.1) with a dropper. You’ll be able to tackle harder lines and gnarlier trails, though you’ll pay the price of overall speed for it. Newsletter Settings, Viewing 40 posts - 1 through 40 (of 45 total), Premier Partners for Singletrack issues & exclusive subscriber perks, Metcheck MTB Weather Forecasts At A Glance, Singletrack Wisecracker Headset Spacer Bottle Opener, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1upx1BUZ3c, Vali Höll Joins New RockShox Trek Race Team of Youngsters. I really don’t think thats right the geo is different, they can take bigger tyres and also don’t weigh the same as a car. I have a 90mm travelled leftied 29er I got from before gravel was really a thing, its got thunderburts on it, it’ll keep up with a gravel bike on anything but be quicker in the rough – It’s a pig to maintain though as it needs some high spec parts to achieve that weight and it’s finickity…a heavier 29er hardtail would not feel as fast. The top five hardtail electric mountain bikes of 2021 represent the best combinations of features and value on the market today. Many mountain bikers value the simplicity of a hardtail, but not all want the same ride. This is where the hardtail is able to play to its strengths with its lower weight, steeper head angle and narrower handlebar. Doesn’t ride heavy though. I prefer riding flat bars to drops as I enjoy the steering and handing more and it makes lifting front wheel, hopping over things etc,. Quote 0 0 0. cattiy19 Starter 7 posts. RANGEFINDER Approachable Hardtail Trail. Consequently, it beats me up on chunky surfaces more than a true gravel bike would. Specialized Chisel here for exactly this purpose. Expect anything up to 47c on either 700c or 650b wheels. Gravel bikes are beefed up CX bikes, rigid and drop barred, and represent a less capable off road machine than a modern HT. We know where the two sides are: many will think that gravel is a fashion to sell more bicycles; others that a hardtail mountain bike will never bring that experience of bending over on the road and jumping to the first forest road that there is without fear of driving the wheel. It was pretty cheap though. Or just a general hate for anything that isn’t a mountain bike. Boneshaking heavy POS with tiny flat bars. I used to have a steel cross bike before gravel bikes existed, and it was much more forgiving than my hardtail. Even the … Funnily enough, the additional 4″ of suspension fork doesn’t seem all that significant, and the only thing I really missed from the gravel bike was the hand positions of the drop bars, and the smoothness and range of the 2x drivetrain. Login/cookie issues? There’s nothing that will do everything without compromise, so you either accept that, work out what your riding will weighted towards and buy something in that ballpark, or get yourself 2 bikes. You’ll find a gravel bike or mountain bike noticeably slower on the road compared to a decent road bike so you might be disappointed either way. A hardtail is decent on the road, but if you plan on riding lots of road than a road racing bike is still much more efficient. Six months later swap to the other… And end up regretting that too. +1 on this. They were kinda like a cross between an MTB and a road bike. Is there anyone who has raced both a hardtail and gravel bike in a gravel race? Next time round I’d get a big tyred gravel bike 45-50mm tyre with as comfy frame as poss, probably Ti, and just take it easy in the rough, for the benefit of durability, simplicity and less outlay. Sorry, I didn’t tell you which one I’d pick between the two. Hardtail Vs Full Suspension Bike Frame. Style’ gravel e.g. I have flat bars on mine and its perfect. Main reason for wanting to try something different is to get more hand positions, as flat bars do get uncomfortable after a while. Specialized Epic Hardtail Pro. Their tires have more weight and rolling resistance. Hardtail with slicks will just have you wishing you had some proper tyres on it for the good bits. Bike selection – A hardtail 29er is going to be the closest to a gravel bike, while also offering the benefits of a true mountain bike. The ‘gravel’ bike I saw on Gravelbikes UK Facebook page last night had 2.4 knobbly tyres on…. I rode everywhere to ride, to commute, to have fun and to explore lanes, mountains, distance, local woods. If you’ll be doing road and light offroad, gravel bike. Reckon it’s similar speed on road to my 9kg gravel bike when on the loops, but so much more fun and more controllable on anything remotely off road. Brakes: Hydraulic … Cruise the tarmac & have fun seeing how tech you can get off road (plus dropper is also great for road descents too). I reckon my Sonder Ti, flat bar, rigid bike with 40c 29er tyres on is pretty good all round. I don’t know if the position they’re in just gives you more aero, or more power producing. It sucked the joy out of cycling. But then if it’s only the bars that are a problem then you’ve already got large-volume knobby tyres, which means if you put flat bars on then we can probably call it an MTB , That bike I posted above has been built up with flat bars (MTB in my book) and drops (gravel bike with unusually beefy tyres), but the frameset is actually designed/marketed as a city hybrid, so all the boundaries (as if they existed) are shot to shit anyway . Link Removal In a full suspension mountain bike a.k.a dual suspension Mountain bike, the rear wheel must come with a suspension shock. Gravel bikes such as Cannondale’s Topstone Lefty have dual-suspension, yet the available travel remains comparatively low at only 30mm. It may be that covering those distances is the thing that is important to you and you just endure the technical sections in between, but again, it all comes down to your riding and what you want out of it. All depends on the road to offroad ratio. Whatever came along. Either. Choosing a cross country race bike used to be simple – it was a case of fat tyres, rim brakes and hold on for dear life. If your trip mainly consists of forest and gravel roads the choice becomes a bit easier. And that can mean a lot of fun and a fresh look at where and how you ride.A gravel bike can raise a smile in so many ways… there are lots of Cropping up more and more is the burning question, should you buy a gravel bike or a hard tail? Every mark earned, every mile loved and every vice versa’d. Mostly light offroad with some more rough stuff, and not much road, hardtail. 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