Regardless of your willingness to accept reality, Vader has consistently proven himself to be on the level of people like Grievous and Kenobi rather than Yoda and Sidious. Vader should take this.He his repeatedly stated to be Sidious most powerful apprentice, legends and canon.Dooku's force lighting could be a problem but as long as he has his saber, he should be fine. Darth Vader's inability to stomp Old Ben tells me that he'd be lucky to pull out a solid win against a guy far above old Ben. At 83, he's a sprinter, not a jogger -- good in the short term, but he can't maintain his peak levels for very long. Id say The Count wins 6 out of 10 times. suit Vader in ROTS being 80% of ROTS Sidious puts him as rivals. People here really believe that Dooku is stronger than Vader....what the hell.... Sidious isn't rich those. He followed a single line,front and back, his feet shifting to keep him constantly in perfect balance as he retreated and came on suddenly with devastating thrusts that had Obi-Wan stumbling backward. His four arms create a flashing display of swordsmanship. not Statements but in feats, Since you ignore Statements every time I post them just like you are going to ignore the top Statement. "On top of that, the point that ANH Vader is greater than Anakin who was slightly stronger than Sidious automatically puts Vader above Dooku as well.". it's actually funny, you need to stop with the double Standards. Battle. I hold Dooku, Mace, Yoda and Sidious all in the same league, only narrowly apart from each other. This is further solidified by Dooku matching Mace Windu on Boz Pity, and we know that Mace is in the same tier as Yoda and Sidious. In current canon (Disney era) lord Vader seems to be only second to the Emperor himself so I cant see him losing this when as his weaker self in a pre darkside Anakin already took care of the Count in a solid fight and beheaded Darth Tyrannus to end it. Who will win in a fight between Darth Vader & Darth Sidious and Team Count Dooku? Grievous was hardpressing his adversary, yet only fought in 9-10 second bursts. If not, Dooku will manage to land cuts, strikes and Lightning on Vader, and that's going to make a huge difference. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on December 9th 2020, 12:14 am @TheNuisanceBird wrote: Honestly going by Lucas's statements Dooku VS Vader AND Maul might be more a fair fight. Round 3: The Count and Darth Vader are both given 1000 storm troopers and 100 battleships. Shortly before ANH, Vader only narrowly overcame Ahsoka, who in turn was equal to a past-prime Maul. Now at this stage in his development, his speed is vastly inferior but his strength is much better than it was before. In anycase, Dooku in AOTC while exhausted was able to genuinely match Yoda over the course of a lengthy duel that ended in a stalemate. As we see from ESB, Vader's suit can tank glancing slashes from a lightsaber, but as we see in comics, it is vulnerable to piercing. It is headcanon if the film itself shows something entirely different. Furthermore, it's noted that even as Darth Vader that Darth Maul would be able to fight him. Lucas himself has admitted Luke is weaker than Anakin and that all of Star wars is about Anakin because he is the chosen one. Completely irrelevent, Yoda did not back him into that area. "Defending isn't that impressive. There's no highballing lol, it's pure, raw feats. "heck even before he was encased in the suit he was a tier 9 per numeral sources". They are each equals in potential, except Anakin never came near his full potential while Luke attained his full potential, and is therefore far more powerful than anyone else. Doesn't matter cause he was fighting a one sided fight anyway. And Vader doesn't have Anakin's speed or athletism to launch a sustained attack on Dooku before the count gives him the slip. Dooku stabbed up high, turning the angle of his lightsaber in anticipation that Yoda would dodge left. It is intense! Dooku went into a wild flurry then, the likes of which he had not shown against Obi-Wan or Anakin, raining blows at the diminutive Master. It doesn't matter anyways. Why on earth would they even be working together? When he was at the service of Darth Sidious, Darth Tyranus was a threatening, intelligent, powerful, manipulative, arrogant and immoral statesman, but charismatic, whose methods included torture, murder and even genocide. Statements about Vader being like Maul or Dooku isn't a statement that places Vader in their tier, He was talking about Maul and Dooku as people that could have surpass the Emperor but didn't, Like Vader he could have surpassed the emperor but didn't because of his injuries. "I'll admit it never made that much sense but the data still supports my argument the animators didn't envision Dooku matching Yoda for 40 seconds.". We aren't talking about those sources, we are talking about Sidious, whose flattery you used as evidence and I showed that he also did the same thing to Maul. In the script Dooku is stonewalled by Yoda and then forced to retreat, ends up disarmed and badly overwhelmed. Anakin beats Dooku, and Vader will dominate him. Like I said, contradicted by the films, and solidified by the EU. Uh.. "From then on, he wasn’t as strong as the Emperor – he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku." Legends: Either way. @kilius: He and Yoda are still clearly a level above him. If Dooku was trashed he didn't fight well. while hindered do to his conflicting emotions at the time and not being able to harness his power correctly and dint luke literally force choke two of jabba s guards with ease? With a growl of rage, Dooku reached more deeply into the Force, letting it flow through him as if his physical form was a mere conduit for its power. Moreover, what kind of opening will present itself is completely random. "Also, Hidalgo said ROTJ Luke would beat ROTS Anakin" Another reason his word shouldn't be taken seriously. Lord Vader destroys Christopher Lee with his eyes closed. Afterwards, they bladelock, exchange a few sweeping blows as Dooku shifts his footing to avoid being backed up against the column behind, and Anakin baits his opponent into overextending: Nothing in the terms of the balance of their swordplay indicates a thrashing. The fact that Dooku didn't gone down in those near-40 seconds alone proves he's comparable. That's not how I would have argued for that, rather I would have also concentrated on his reference to Anakin's abilities. He was just overpowered in their fight by youth's advantage. Yoda is slightly better than Dooku, yes, but Dooku has repeatedly proven that he is almost as good as him. That's how you beat an outboxer, you cut off the ring and restrict his movement and then go for the kill. "it's actually funny, you need to stop with the double Standards.". ", "Nope. This is on the tail end of a well-matched duel of respectable length. Vader isn't more powerful , but he is in fact stated to be a rival to Sidious in power which put him on Yoda and ROTS Sidious level. since Vader matched That Luke we are left with the idea that Vader in Legends indeed is ROTS Sidious tier if not more powerful. Make it Purge Vader and it’s a 50/50 fight. Vader stomped Old Ben in canon, which it's his prime, and had a one-sided fight with him in Legends which even Ben confessed he had no hopes of winning and was stalling time with Vader being cautious. Old Ben who rivalled Darth Vader vs Count Dooku. Darth Vader Vader Form V Djem-so>Dooku's Form II Makashi. There's no evidence that they didn't especially considering that HE DID. What else do these pathetic people wait to be shown and told to understand that Vader is Sidious's most powerful pupil ??? And how closely matched was this fight? "and According to Pablo Vader wins against Yoda." And Sidious said Dooku could survive the embarrassment because the public views Anakin as the greatest Jedi, because Sidious and Dooku had worked to make them think that: "The voice that answered him was so familiar that sometimes his very thoughts spoke in it, instead of in his own. - Was trounced by a holding-back Dooku despite having Obi-Wan for backup, - Struggled against IG-102, one of General Grievous' bodyguards, - Struggled against Serra Keto, Cin Drallig's former Padawan, - Struggled against Obi-Wan Kenobi, in both the Force and dueling, - Was on the losing end of a fight against an out-of-practice Eeth Koth, - Struggled against Rebels Ahsoka, who equaled a past-prime Maul. "If we are allowed to use the EU I can use passages from both novelizations that make it clear Dooku was outclassed.". His other duels with Yoda are much better. "Vader wins in both canon and in Legends." Vader was never rival to ROTJ Sidious. It means quite simply that, he fought well. It's not inherently a disarming, like directly chopping off someone's arm mid-fight or prying their blade from your opponent's hand. And he is immensely durable, that's problematic for a guy like Dooku never goes for lethal attacks like decapitation. Edit: potential of The Chosen one>Luke=Leia 2x>ROTJ Sidious. Then he gets much more powerful from then on, he was far above dooku, as per statements above Yoda post ROTS. Posted by 11 months ago. In Canon, Vader Murks Dooku 10/10 and ts not close. The script was 110% revised. If Vader was even remotely comparable to ROTS Yoda/Sidious, he would have easily blazed through each and every fight I just listed. Dooku has dueled Yoda no less than 3 times, and in all 3 encounters he performed well. In ANH, Vader was struggling against a past-prime Kenobi. He wins in canon easily but not in legends. Sure we can agree to disagree but that facts are facts and the facts say that Vader is more powerful than Dooku. The script says Dooku tried his absolute best to attack Yoda but was 110% stonewalled, then Yoda went on the attack and forced Dooku into a retreat, overwhelming and disarming him. I wouldn't go that far but yeah, Dooku handily. Vader is stronger, more durable and has the edge in raw power. It was literally talking about lightsaber dueling. Dooku & Sidious are testing Anakin, feeling out his abilities. ABC logic is pointless most of the time. Per Nick Gillard, the senior stunt coordinator/choreogapher of the prequel trilogy -- who extensively discussed the fights with Lucas prior to constructing their technical aspects -- Dooku was mentally hindered, too sure of his superiority: Dooku was overconfident, and Anakin only managed to get past Dooku's guard by exploiting this weakness. Vader is indeed on Yoda and ROTS Sidious tier in Legends. She's clearly not as capable as characters such as Mace Windu, Jedi Master; Yoda, or Darth Vader, Jedi Hunter; but she's roughly on par with Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Master or Darth Tyranus. Yes, exactly. C) The article states that Sidious only initially pushed Yoda back. Vader, Dooku lasts about a minute and a half, which is really long for a duel. It was well-fought. Not to mention that Vader is vulnerable to force lighting, which is an advantage Dooku would enjoy abusing the second he finds out about it. The EU saying good stuff about Vader doesn't change what Lucas said. However, in Legends, Vader struggles to put down Count Dooku until about the ANH/ESB Era. the 2 fights vs Count Dookubest character ever Christopher Leetwo of the best and most saying scenesJust DEW IT and subscribe It's quite simple: Dooku is better than Anakin. Darth Vader, Count Dooku and Darth Maul vs The Nazgul. A Makashi practitioner would prefer freedom of movement: "Obi-Wan leaped and spun, slashing side to side, chopping, and thrusting, but all of Dooku’s movements seemed far more efficient. And that's all just movies only evidence. Legends or canon, Vader loses badly. It's a common misconception that most all the well-matched prequel fights are minutes long. And of course, in ROTJ, Vader was matched by Luke. By actual showings, prime Vader is rival to prime Maul and Dooku is miles ahead of both. And a series of huge slashes and quick manoeuvers?… Hence why Dooku was quite comfortably handling the combined Jedi duo beforehand. Arguably doesn't apply to Dooku cause he's dead at that point. No, Luke and Anakin are not equals...as i just said in a book it stated Luke's potential is only 20K; while Anakin's potential is over 20K. Hidalgo stated in head to head Vader beats Post ROTS Yoda in a duel. The only way Vader wins is if you use the magazine tier statements of Vader being the 'strongest Sith ever' while throwing creator intent and logic out the window. However, when he fights defensively, he does well: "Master Yoda flew forward, his blade working so mightily that its residual glow outshone even those of both of Anakin's lightsabers when he was at the peak of his dance. It's what you are forced to do when you are outclasssed. Dooku only doesn't do well when he tries to attack Yoda: "[Dooku] leapt at Yoda, a sudden and devastating thrust. the sources support this. In addition, it wasn't just Obi-Wan being dominated by Dooku -- Anakin took a blow every time Obi-Wan did: It wasn't a case of Obi-Wan considerably underperforming -- Dooku was dominating both simultaneously. With Sididious he needs all his strength and was pushed to a place he was never taken before. By Xiervak, November 26, 2018 in Star Wars: Legion. I am not understanding why you are using the double standards so hard in here, LOL. Battle. Vader takes it. Re: Darth Maul, Count Dooku, Darth Vader, Savage Opress and Galen Marek vs DE Darth Sidious on November 24th 2019, 10:18 am Galen's suicide blast was by far the most potent manifestation of power on the team and the Emperor's far weaker TFU incarnation endured it … Versions: Palpatine (ROTS), Vader (Just after ROTS), Dooku (ROTS) vs Luke (ROTJ), Yoda (ROTS), Mace (ROTS) Location: Mustafar. What prompts one to make such an assertion? Even if we take your argument as face value, and say there is only a 5% difference from Yoda and Dooku...Sidious out of his mouth stated Vader is his most powerful minion ever. Vader still uses pressure when it suits him, Like his duel with Roan Shryne or The Dark Woman, He adapts to his opponents. People are always downplaying The Count. But one that never got close to hitting. His Force Lightning would also prove to be troublesome for Vader. See here: Dooku should win, especially with Lord_Tenebrous' exceptional breakdown of their ROTS fight. You tell me who wins. Especially in Disney Canon. In ESB, Vader was loosely pressured by student Luke Skywalker. ANAKIN attacks COUNT DOOKU with a new ferociousness. "I'm disputing that because Lucas said you need to be Yoda or Mace to compete with Sidious if Dooku was on that level he would have mentioned him. Reasonable inference would suggest wasn't part of Dooku's strategy to get himself pinned between Yoda and a hard place with no room to maneuver. Yoda simply forced him to fight at his pace and range. @kilius: Parts of it are technically non-canon but they don't contradict the movie from a performance standpoint, so I don't see why we can't use Yoda's defensive showings against Dooku, in a Vs debate. Dooku almost perfectly matches him in a lengthy fight that still ended in a stalemate, after which Yoda literally states that Dooku fought well. @kilius: You've yet to prove that they were fighting evenly, to begin with. It's not even up for debate that Darth Vader is stronger than Count Dooku. Vader does apply pressure when he needs to, but the difference is that he almost always starts out with a measured style, whereas Anakin immediately goes on the offensive and never stops. Yoda does not stonewall Dooku. You misinterpreted George Lucas quotes. A sudden stab by Yoda had Dooku quick-stepping back even more off-balance, for the first time, and then Yoda flew away, up and back. Nazgul Swords can block lightsabers. An exhausted Dooku was able to match Yoda in a lengthy duel on Geonosis. He doesn't read it, doesn't do anything about it. I still heavily agree with this break down. I've also showed you proof that ESB Vader>every other Vader including Rage Amp Vader that Killed Dooku. Kenobi wasn't afraid to face Vader, who couldn't break his defenses until Kenobi let him. A) This thread was made before legends and canon were a thing. beaten by dooku by the same virtue the former knew his lightsaber form and in order to not be overwhelmed like the rots novel told us it was never a consisent ragdoll and pretty much any other source depicts vader to be>old ben even years before his prime, while clearly holding back and nearly toying with him any time it doesnt matter becuase its pitfully clear in both continuities vader>ESB luke even per lucas at the time. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on November 16th 2020, 12:10 pm Well, Anakin is more powerful but Vader has superior command of the force because he has comparable power, much more experience and much more mastery. Vader would never be more powerful than Sidious, because he lost his potential, and is trash compared to him. And faster than characters who can keep pace with Maul including a post prime version of Kenobi still capable of taking it to Hett who in turn stomped and enraged Anakin far easier than Dooku. ", "That's what he did to Kenobi in all their fights, Sora Bulq, Tholme, Vos, Savage when he was a neophyte, Ventress, and Grievous. So Lucas Agrees with him, and Hidalgo works very close with Lucas so his statements are very much Credible, and he has yet to contradict himself like Lucas has many time in his own canon. Makashi is all about positioning and controlling your opponents movement, no way would Dooku want to be encumbered in a tight space. Who Was More Powerful? After that, ROTJ(prime) Vader should win decisively. Both of which do so in a manner that contradicts the film and therefore renders them unusable. How things are in the immovable, original, most authoritative portrayal of these events? "Not only that but Rob Coleman was responsible for the animation choreography in Attack of the Clones too so if he says 'Yoda feels the power of his enemy like a Force he never dealt with before' it means Dooku wasn't close to Sidious's level by the intent of the team who choreographed his sequences". Anakin being able to abuse his strength to disarm someone is dependent on that one, specific opening presenting itself again. - Had a one-sided battle with Eeth Koth ( He arguably landed a single blow we see no scratch from)decades before his prime. And the writers for Vader state that they don't listen to what Lucas thinks of Vader, so yeah. The dejected flunky in OT Vader who realistically knows he can't surpass Sidious, takes orders from non-force sensitives, and was given all he could handle by a green Luke and decisively beaten when the latter stopped holding back can’t hang with Dooku. in canon even sidious notes vader is stronger than his previous apprentices. "He and Yoda are still clearly a level above him. and Vader had no reason to 'not be serious'. Turtling up without taking an offesive risk requires less skill than defending and laying on the pressure at the same time, ala Maul vs Jinn and Kenobi. OBI-WAN is hard-pressed to defend himself against the deadly onslaught. Vader's more of a tactical fighter who applies pressure in spurts and Dooku's king when it comes to the technical battle so I see Vader's style playing into Dooku's hands. And, Sidious is proven to flatter his students while Yoda was just commenting on how the fight was. Vader is more durable by his suit who can winstand blaster shoots&Lightsaber blows and many more. Canon policy is just a guideline, the reality is almost everybody who debates Star Wars characters are fans and avid readers of the EU so people are going to use novel feats regardless if it contradicts the choreography. He showed master level craft and Yoda complimented him for it, same way a sensei complements his top pupil after outclassing him a sparring exhibition, it just wasn't enough to press Yoda who is even more masterful.". Plus lightning. And by being overall more powerful in the force, Vader could break through Dooku's force barrier anytime if Dooku isn't careful. With the most choreography? "so I don't see why we can't use Yoda's defensive showings against Dooku, in a Vs debate.". Vader on the other hand, in ROTS struggled against IG-102 -- one of General Grievous' bodyguards -- and near-equaled Obi-Wan on Mustafar, straining in both a lightsaber and Force contest. Introduced in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones played by Christopher Lee, Count Dooku has become one of the franchise's most imposing villains. Dooku is no peer of Yoda. - Struggling with Old Ben (who is older and weaker than ROTS Kenobi, who got ragdolled by Dooku). Vader not being as powerful as ROTJ Sidious doesn't mean he isn't as powerful as ROTS Sidious or ROTS Yoda. "There's no evidence he was speaking in a specific time frame. You just disproved your own argument, the gangplank is literally right there on the left. He said, "you have TO BE Yoda or Mace" meaning "to be" Dooku wouldn't be enough, in any given period. With extreme skill, Form II could be used to hold off multiple opponents, but generally needed to be partnered with more aggressive forms in order to land a blow that could decisively end a conflict. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on December 17th 2020, 11:18 pm @lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: does lucas acknowledge ben getting less skilled by any chance? in those 80 years he was beat by Rage amp Anakin. Sidious doesn't want to do the work, he just want someone more powerful then him to do all the work so he doesn't have to do anything and just control them from afar. ", "The action in the movie doesn't perfectly match the rough draft", "but there's no indication the intent was revised". During that time, he was unconventional in his thoughts and methods, often at odds wit… "No, Luke's potential is less than Anakin's. Vader does apply pressure when he needs to, but the difference is that he almost always starts out with a measured style, whereas Anakin immediately goes on the offensive and never stops. Prior to this, Dooku was not only withstanding the combined force of his Jedi opponents, but mopping the floor with them. 'This was meant to be like matching Porsche Turbos against each other,' he says with a grin. No, it just means that Sidious > Dooku, not that he >>>>> Dooku, which is an unfounded leap you're making. "No he didn't. 'An embarrassment you can survive, Lord Tyranus. I don't think Dooku's attacks are lethal enough to put Vader down before Vader does the job himself. On top of that, the point that ANH Vader is greater than Anakin who was slightly stronger than Sidious automatically puts Vader above Dooku as well. Well duh of course Yoda wants to cut off the ring and restrict Dooku's movement otherwise Dooku would just keep giving ground. Which is in keeping with the idea that Makashi is a primarily defensive form: "Form II does not focus on attack, but rather economic movement in defensive parries.". As I said Dooku starts in the center of the room and then he ends up cornered like a trapped rat.". That was because Like I Mentioned above That Sidious wanted someone more powerful than him that he could control, which George Lucas had stated already. Nonetheless, Dooku can still use his force lightning by surprise as he did to Anakin in TCW season 4, plus as a slightly better duelist, he should win this after a long fight. As I said Dooku starts in the center of the room and then he ends up cornered like a trapped rat. But he couldn't do the same to Yoda: every time he tried to anticipate Yoda's moves Yoda would instead think a step ahead. And again, I should like to point out that Dooku thought he was superior to Anakin right up until he was disarmed... there's arrogance, and then there's just plain lunacy. "Just because Dooku didn't go down in those 40 seconds doesn't mean the momentum wasn't in Yoda's favor". Because they never happened, it's a non-canon showing. Not to mention, on Boz Pity, Dooku matched Mace Windu who is a peer of Sidious and Yoda. And in his rage when his stab missed yet again, he reverted to a slashing attack. Round 1: A lightsaber duel where both can use the force at will. What is plainly shown in the film is Yoda overpowering Dooku in the blade locks, Dooku back peddling, and Dooku calling it quits after a short scrap. That's the very definition of being outlcassed. ", "Anakin potential is over 20K. And how closely matched were these fights? Not someone who is. It's proved by Sidious thinking that Dooku and Ventress were strong enough to overthrow him, and Ventress is stated to be far less powerful than Dooku. Obi-Wan defeated Maul & Vader in Episodes I & III, but was he the superior fighter? If they wanted to portray Dooku as matching Yoda he wouldn't have given any ground, he wouldn't have been overpowered in the blade locks, and he wouldn't have called it quits. If Vader can keep the pressure on Dooku and keep him from exploiting his skill edge, he wins by wearing the Count down before dispatching him. And, the senior novel doesn't portray Dooku as entirely outclassed. Is this the longest lightsaber battle? Xiervak … The a master fencer doesn't want to lay in the corner of the ring where he doesn't have any room to maneuver, he wants the center of the ring were he can dictate the spacing and tempo. Nope. "When sources and everything say a different story that Vader>Dooku.". 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